crazen
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Post by crazen on Apr 23, 2010 13:40:10 GMT
I like this idea, but as I was reading through it, a new idea struck me. What if all of our races were subjects/slaves of a Greater Empire that was generally evil and controlling. We were all unified in our struggle against these overlords, and therefore were basically all on the same level as everyone else. After all, slaves are equal to slaves. Just my thoughts. I refuse. to say, we could start with a conflict with an evil empire (or a union of empires. i'm tired of that 'all verses one thats been goin around. I want alliance vs. alliance). but it would be somebodies actual race, for one, and it would not have inslaved everyone, cause that just destroyes any history or starting point you might have wanted.
also at the start, are we going with that races know eachother to an extent? cause thats how I imagined it. though some races are still undiscovered of course. yea, I think we generaly should go with this: "expaniding into space and eventualy meet aliens, one way or another" in those cases instead of this: "send one barely funtional ship into space and cry for help and immidiatly get picked up by a ship from a much advanced race and then suddenly be a much advanced race yourself"
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Martyk
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Post by Martyk on Apr 23, 2010 15:22:44 GMT
Crazen is right. At the start our races should know of eachother, and future races will join in the way that the Kratair once did, by suddenly finding the other races, rather than being found themselves.
Space is a big place. For all we know, while all this empire stuff is going on with our races, a similar thing could be happening on the other side of the galaxy, completley separate from us. What I guess I'm saying in a round-a-bout way is introducing new races in the future is a fairly straight forward deal, as we will not know of everyone and everything.
I think that paragraph may not have made much sense.
Also, on the topic of starting fresh, I'm in agreement with most of the guys before me, in that I think that while we may have some of the old races show up, for the most part we should be starting clean. I mean, I love my Kratair and I have no doubt they'll show up here eventually, but for starters I think I'm going to be dusting of the Empheri I made a while back and never got around to RPing.
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Post by Josasa on Apr 23, 2010 20:53:48 GMT
The difference here though is that we are all subjects, already conquered and trying to gain our freedom. This could easily lead to an alliance v. alliance battle that you want, since people would be fighting over the multiracial systems that were part of the former empire and the resources it controlled (which we would all make up of course).
But how would that destroy the history or a starting point? You could easily make references to any history you wanted. Heck, your empire could have been pretty sizeable with control over several systems before you were conquered by these aliens.
And who said that this would have to be somebody's race? Really no one would have to control them at all. Everyone could make their own characters from this race and RP with them if you really needed to see the story from their perspective.
But if you really needed an actual person RPing the opposite race, I would be more than willing to RP with them. I've taken part in my fair share of RPs in which I 'lost' and I could do so again.
This just creates a nice unifying RP that would tie in everyone that wanted to participate and exclude those that didn't. This is just a nice way to get all of the races knowing each other, while creating backstory and relations between the different races that wouldn't be created otherwise. It's always fun to reference a past RP in current RPs since that just adds all the more depth to the story. Really, this is much better than just 'everyone already knows everyone and has for a short amount of time.' That establishes a small connection, but there is nothing unifying about it, and it doesn't really setup any real possibilities for the alliances that you are already mentioning. "Hey, you want to ally with me for the heck of it?" is in no way better than "Hey, we worked together in gaining our independence against these overlords and thats pretty big. I feel like since we worked together so well then, we can do so now. I suggest we continue our relations with some sort of alliance." That's a lot more substance that just creating alliances since we met each other first and therefore we should ally.
At the same time, as I alluded to above, this still allows those that don't want to participate to stay out of the RP. There could also be races that stumble onto the scene from an outside view, or who come in on the community after the empire has been defeated.
I'm just showing you all my point of view on the first RPs we could or should be having.
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Martyk
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Post by Martyk on Apr 23, 2010 21:03:13 GMT
The problem with us starting out as slave races or whatnot is that would mean that our races have no no infrastructure, no armies, no government. We'll be starting from square one. It'd be much better in my opinion if we all start as though our races are seperate entities that have known of eachother and coexisted for some time, and then we have some sort of event that starts off our RPing.
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Post by Josasa on Apr 23, 2010 21:10:39 GMT
That's not true. I guess I got my point across wrong when I said slaves. Really, it could be more like vassals, in that our races continue to function as they would have otherwise, but that these races limit military development (they don't abolish it completely, because they could use these troops to keep control rather than using their own troops) and generally extracting resources from the planets and limiting the native races influence in the politics.
It could almost be like the Soviet Union and all of the smaller satellite states. Really, Russia milked the other Soviet nations of their natural resources and wealth while giving little back. At the same time they limited their autonomy and kept a stronger military than everyone else involved. Eventually, this generally oppressive nature ticked off too many people and all of the vassals decided to rise up against them.
So they would have infrastructure, a small military, and their own local government, just not the extent that they could have if they were their own rulers.
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crazen
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Post by crazen on Apr 24, 2010 0:10:54 GMT
how about the bad guys dont have us under their thumb, and their just attacking us, making us band together (or not)?
and what I meant earlier is that I think the bad guys should be races that want to be the bad guys. so alliance of conquerers vs. alliance of defenders.
thoughts?
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Post by DarthGrievi on Apr 24, 2010 0:17:33 GMT
Yeah, I'm honestly not too keen on the whole "Single ruling race" idea. If, perhaps, only some of us were under their control? Big Bad tries to capture more races? Some hero goes and tries to free those under Big Bad's influence? I do admit, it is a very good idea for getting us all together, but it makes each race's starting point (or rather ending point, if you're doing a history) pre-set. I don't know, it just doesn't sit right...
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Post by Eligecos on Apr 24, 2010 0:31:06 GMT
I have edited the arcs. I'm not sure if anyone has them misconstrued, but we won't even get to the whole "everyone is enslaved to one empire" arc yet. And as Josasa pointed out, everyone will be vassals to the empire. The very few outspoken will only be enslaved, though such cases are rare, it is publicly displayed to scare the rest of the galaxy into shock and awe.
Still, all this is distant future. As of now, we will be progressively getting to know the galaxy better. After the first arc, problematic and despotic races will take advantage of the weak and fragile network of alliances, eventually leading up to the unification and give power to a greater empire to quell those that threaten peace and stability in the galaxy. This will be the driving force in which the empire is formed, initially for a noble cause. But as soon as those problems are snuffed out, a mysterious force will reveal itself, drastically changing the empire's behavior to a malicious one.
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Post by Josasa on Apr 24, 2010 0:57:41 GMT
I was actually referring to the 'evil empire' as being the first arc to start with since I really saw some nice potential with that, but I guess whatever works, works. There seems to be a lot of opposition to it anyway, which doesn't make much sense. Everyone would still have the ability to write the history of their race before them. I just pictured that as the starting point of our storytelling, without having to hash through the evil empire conquering everyone and all of that.
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Post by Eligecos on Apr 24, 2010 1:08:48 GMT
I think it works out best. I figured everyone wanted to see how the empire grew, that way people can prepare for that and at the same time, start on their history.
The best part is, that by the time we reach the "evil empire" arc, we have the perfect setting for a neo-prison escape.
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crazen
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Post by crazen on Apr 24, 2010 1:37:28 GMT
who should be the evil empire/ alliance?
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Post by Eligecos on Apr 24, 2010 2:04:42 GMT
Not decided yet, but I think I'll keep that under wraps for now. Let's not spoil it for ourselves.
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Post by GroxGlitch on Apr 24, 2010 2:22:06 GMT
I know who my vote's for. Speaking of which, why not have a poll for it?
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Post by Josasa on Apr 24, 2010 2:45:29 GMT
Well, there really isn't any reason to have a poll for it this far ahead. That would only make sense if it was the first RP. In the meantime, we still need to establish ourselves on these boards before we can really do anything.
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Post by haseri on Apr 25, 2010 10:13:05 GMT
So how long should each arc be?
I do like the idea of not starting with much established, that we slowly grow. It gives the impression that all our civilisations are new to the galactic scene and on equal standing, give or take a few decades.
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