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Post by yuu on Apr 29, 2010 23:36:09 GMT
Thanks! Although, arguably, the flora could be considered just as or even more complex than the fauna. :P Really? Wow, you never hear that happen much in an ecosystem. I am thoroughly interested on how you will implement this. 8-)
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Post by KrakowSAM on Apr 29, 2010 23:41:34 GMT
Not true Yuu. the idea that plants are somehow less complex or less advanced than animals is just anthropocentrism. Your tongue couldn't wick hundreds of gallons of water out of damp soil, and your heart wouldn't be able to pump them sixty feet into the air. But a tree does it all without even having 'moving parts'.
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Post by Razonatair on Apr 29, 2010 23:42:31 GMT
Makes you wonder whether plants are in the fact the more advanced. Doing more with less, in a way.
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Post by Clarke on Apr 29, 2010 23:47:39 GMT
Not true Yuu. the idea that plants are somehow less complex or less advanced than animals is just anthropocentrism. Exactly. Although the flora are really more "animal-like" than "plant-like". I mean, they do have blood and a heart. If you read it, ya know. >.>
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Post by Clarke on Apr 30, 2010 0:01:25 GMT
Fauna I-Kingdom: AgitobestiaKingdom Agitobestia includes all fauna on Ein. Ranging from mobile to immobile, and found almost everywhere on Ein's surface, they include the sentient suldija. -Phylum: Telacruocombizoa Phylum telacruocombib contains members that resemble the first multicellular heterotrophs on Ein. Original multicellular heterotrophs clustered around members of division duodomucea, those flora that live half in and half out of the water, because of the high oxygen concentrations relative to the low oxygen concentrations found in most other areas in the world. Unicellular heterotrophs learned to stick to the surface of the flora, and sheets of the organisms eventually began to actually feed on the organism itself. Members eventually began to specialize, sending microscopic tendrils deep into the flora to access the bloodstream, providing nutrients and oxygen. Reproduction is asexual, with ciliated, and in a few cases, muscled larva similar to the next phylum mentioned next being split off from the upper skin of the organism. The larva will follow oxygen and nutrient gradients using primitive chemoreceptors, then latch onto the host. -Phylum: Solvovermizoa Phylum Solvovermicea is the most common group of organisms found in the hot-spots, which they are exclusive to. Originating from members of Telacruocombicea that had undergone neoteny, they swim by moving their bodies in a wave-like motion, aided by a flat, water-filled cavity in the center of their bodies. The "probes" that members of Telacruocombicea used to gather nutrients and oxygen from the blood stream have evolved into digestive organs( #2.) that number around fifty per organism, and coat the bottom. These will draw water in and out, filtering nutrients and gases. In many species, they are also flexible and are used to rip parts from the mats of largely unspecialized methanogens that are a common sight floating on the surface of the water, swimming upside-down as they do so. They take many forms from the basic one shown in the picture, although it resembles the majority of the organisms. These will wrap around larger organisms, puncturing them with their probes, settling down to a sessile lifestyle until the host passes on. Others live near hydrothermal vents, wrapping around themselves to form tube-shapes that are home to lithotrophic bacteria. Still others are free-swimming herbivores(like the ones mentioned a few sentences above), while others are carnivores, which rip apart their prey and then curl into a ball to finish digestion. A primitive neural net has formed in some of the more specialized organisms, allowing them to better hunt prey, whether it be flora or fauna. -Phylum: Gradioamphibizoa Members of Gradioamphibicea are generally detrivores, scrounging the floors of hot-spots(especially shallow areas) for decaying matter. Others are filter-feeders, and the ones first discovered by suldija scientists(and indeed, closely related to the distant ancestors of those scientists), from which Gradioamphibicea got their name, can remove themselves from the water for short periods of time. Much like Solvovermicea, they differ in two important ways that allow them to be classified separately from their cousins. First off, gradioamphibicea possess two "rings" of appendages that alternate, allowing small particles to pass between but blocking off larger organisms which could harm the organism. These both allow the gradioamphibicea to elevate their feeding tubes from their food source(whether it be standing over a carcass, or allowing water to filter in), and to walk in a way very reminiscent of an inchworm, but in a more wave-like motion. Secondly, the feeding tubes have become more complex, forming exit pores which allow better filtering of food from the water. Three specialized feeding tubes stick out of the front of the organism, and act as specialized chemoreceptors that feed information on the source of nutrients to the increasingly complex neural net that the organism possesses. They also possess a basic open circulatory system with blood based on Coboglobin.
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Post by yuu on Apr 30, 2010 11:27:51 GMT
Judging from how things are going, are they (the suldija) going to turn out as slug-like? Yup, I read it. Was just wondering how you'd make it so the plants are more advanced yet still make the suldija the top species instead of a "planimal." : ) Not true Yuu. the idea that plants are somehow less complex or less advanced than animals is just anthropocentrism. In a way, they are more advanced, as in the case of things like efficiency. However, for things that really require fast and complex tinkering, animals almost exclusively take the cake. At the very least, they are faster and smarter than plants. Comparing plants and animals is kinda like comparing a sedan and a Formula 1. The above is not a law, of course. It's merely the result of analyzing the flora and fauna from our past creations. Short, it's just statistics. : )
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Post by Clarke on Apr 30, 2010 19:43:32 GMT
Judging from how things are going, are they (the suldija) going to turn out as slug-like? Nope. Those are just closely related to its basic ancestors, the suldija aren't going to be slug-like in the same way you're not earthworm-like. That is, your basic anatomy is similar to that of an earthworm, but you've got a bunch of details thrown in their too that an earthworm doesn't. Edit: And members of Gradioamphibizoa are nothing like slugs anyway. :P
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Post by yuu on Apr 30, 2010 23:27:44 GMT
Really? They kinda look like sea cucumbers, though.
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Post by Clarke on May 1, 2010 0:00:18 GMT
Well, their digestive system is vastly different, they have two rings of legs, have a central fluid-filled cavity which the muscles contract around, and have sensitive chemoreceptors.
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Post by yuu on May 1, 2010 3:10:06 GMT
Since you put it that way, I guess they're not completely slug-like. Still, how are you going to make them more complex without surpassing the complexity of the fauna?
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Post by Clarke on May 1, 2010 3:20:25 GMT
Wait till the next update.
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Post by Clarke on May 27, 2010 22:30:26 GMT
The SuldijaAlien sheet: Suldija (Section 1 -- Biology) Type : Shallow methane sea, from lack of liquid to below head Gravity preferences : .6 - 1.4 g Temperature pref. : -190 to -170 °C Atmosphere breathed : Oxygen/Co2/Nitrogen/Hydrogen/Helium Body cover : Thick skin Body color : Orange to yellow, primarily because of their amber-colored blood. Eyes : Suldija have eight "eyes", really pit-like organis that pick up infared radiation Diet : Omnivore, primarily flora but supplemented with small fauna that fill the niche of arthropods Sexual reproduction : Two genders, Viviparous Reproduction method : Live birth, budding Limbs pair n° 1 : Arms(Manipulators) Limbs pair n° 2 : Arms(Feeders, manipulators) Limbs pair n° 3-8 : Legs Mass : # kg (Average weight of your race. If values differ between Male/Female, list both) Size : 3.5 meters long (Section 2 -- Culture) Attributes: Militancy : 7 Determination : 9 Racial tolerance: 18 Progressivness : 16 Loyalty : 2 Social cohesion : 8 Art : 15 Individualism : 17 Body : 12 Mind : 14 Speed : 8 Lifespan : 600 years Tech level : (Evolution level of your race. Values Below) (Section 3 -- Government and Religion) Government type : Civil Disobedience Religion : Philosophical Athiesm
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Post by yuu on May 29, 2010 8:54:46 GMT
Interesting. They have pretty long lifespans. It will be rather interesting to see how they interact with other civilizations in the long term. Though, I have to pint out: Did you mean "viviparous" when you said "vivaporous?"
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Post by Clarke on May 29, 2010 11:01:32 GMT
Yeah, filled it out in a bit of a rush.
About the lifespans: I figure that at this point in their technology, they'd be able to live pretty long, just as humans have been expanding their lifespans for millenium. Early Suldija were usually limited by the strength of their heart;as it aged it couldn't maintain a flow in their skeleton as well(I'll get to it in a bit, but they're skeleton is water-based), and so their skeleton literally froze. Gen-en and organ growing allows modern Suldija to have a much longer life, and their telomere-equivalents take a bit longer to unravel.
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Post by yuu on May 30, 2010 4:14:28 GMT
I see.
So, in a way, they're lifespans are limited only by the durability of their organs, kinda like how elephants that have no teeth left die of starvation?
In any case, I wonder how senior individuals of other races would feel in case they happen upon an old suldija friend who is about the same age as them yet is apparently still far from death by old age. Suldija that reside on foreign worlds might feel like they're somewhat like toned down versions of Highlanders, which would probably be both awesome and depressing.
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